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	<title>Comments on: Lalgarh: an analysis of the media&#8217;s war hysteria</title>
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		<title>By: sawinder</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. bhattarjya, 

.. to some extent I do agree with you, only violence can never be the solution to all problems. would likt to comment on these lines too..

  ... &quot; What I want to mean here is like if there is an oppression any human being should react to it, but do you need to have an ideology (such as marxism, maoism, etc.)? &quot;

.. sir i shall ask you a question , can we have have HONEY without beehives ???
   If yes then yes we do not need any Marxism or Maoism and on the other hand if we do need them ..then i am afraid you can be practically bit wrong in assuming that we do not need any kind of ideology  . Yet I agree that what is of prime importance is the  solution or peace and not the idology. So those who treats ideology as DOGMA are the danger to progression of humanity not the ideolgy itself.

  .. also PROBLEM of the middle class is that we are always chatting and having drawing room discussions BUT what are the problems what is the character of the State, what can be the possible solutions they all can only be discussed and answered only in the society ( in villages among adivasis ) not on net. So I believe all the middle class hysteria can be overwhelmed not through any debate but being among the people.

.. I am a law student in Punjab University Chandigarh and have recently witnessed a small but very strong agrarian labor movement here in deep countryside of Punjab, In MANSA. While sitting in Chandigarh and university canteen I have discussed lots of Marxism and human rights Yet on being among the people we can know that intellectual debate of VIOLENCE and VIOLENCE is all non sense just a term thrown by ruling classes to keep on the intelligentsia on the edge.  It is simple, THERE is most inhuman exploitation in India&#039;s villages and there is exploitation and then even you want peace to prevail .. NA not possible. 

.. and one thing More you have used Hindutva and Marxism in same line as they are two sides of same coin !! ...hahah GREAT But  must absolutely OBJECT . SIRE, Marxism is not just a political ideology it is not been written out of fancy or wish of one individual, it is the the DISCOVERY of LAWS of Motion of our SOCIETY (definate laws that nature obey while it allows humans to enter from one stage to another ..like from ancient to medieval to modern .. ) 
which were intact and working well before Marx and shall always work. This is just like the discovery of GRAVITY now you believe it or not Gravity is always there and always existed before NEWTON.

... and lastly thought I do not exactly support these CPI Maoist, but you too should chose carefully from where u are deducing this information of Maoists having help from LTTE and all that stuff... If u do not believe Maoists on the 1st instance then why you should believe in the information which is completely state sponsored ??? where is our sense of justice here ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. bhattarjya, </p>
<p>.. to some extent I do agree with you, only violence can never be the solution to all problems. would likt to comment on these lines too..</p>
<p>  &#8230; &#8221; What I want to mean here is like if there is an oppression any human being should react to it, but do you need to have an ideology (such as marxism, maoism, etc.)? &#8221;</p>
<p>.. sir i shall ask you a question , can we have have HONEY without beehives ???<br />
   If yes then yes we do not need any Marxism or Maoism and on the other hand if we do need them ..then i am afraid you can be practically bit wrong in assuming that we do not need any kind of ideology  . Yet I agree that what is of prime importance is the  solution or peace and not the idology. So those who treats ideology as DOGMA are the danger to progression of humanity not the ideolgy itself.</p>
<p>  .. also PROBLEM of the middle class is that we are always chatting and having drawing room discussions BUT what are the problems what is the character of the State, what can be the possible solutions they all can only be discussed and answered only in the society ( in villages among adivasis ) not on net. So I believe all the middle class hysteria can be overwhelmed not through any debate but being among the people.</p>
<p>.. I am a law student in Punjab University Chandigarh and have recently witnessed a small but very strong agrarian labor movement here in deep countryside of Punjab, In MANSA. While sitting in Chandigarh and university canteen I have discussed lots of Marxism and human rights Yet on being among the people we can know that intellectual debate of VIOLENCE and VIOLENCE is all non sense just a term thrown by ruling classes to keep on the intelligentsia on the edge.  It is simple, THERE is most inhuman exploitation in India&#8217;s villages and there is exploitation and then even you want peace to prevail .. NA not possible. </p>
<p>.. and one thing More you have used Hindutva and Marxism in same line as they are two sides of same coin !! &#8230;hahah GREAT But  must absolutely OBJECT . SIRE, Marxism is not just a political ideology it is not been written out of fancy or wish of one individual, it is the the DISCOVERY of LAWS of Motion of our SOCIETY (definate laws that nature obey while it allows humans to enter from one stage to another ..like from ancient to medieval to modern .. )<br />
which were intact and working well before Marx and shall always work. This is just like the discovery of GRAVITY now you believe it or not Gravity is always there and always existed before NEWTON.</p>
<p>&#8230; and lastly thought I do not exactly support these CPI Maoist, but you too should chose carefully from where u are deducing this information of Maoists having help from LTTE and all that stuff&#8230; If u do not believe Maoists on the 1st instance then why you should believe in the information which is completely state sponsored ??? where is our sense of justice here ?</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well an armed uprising can only lead to the liberation of mankind, and end of exploitation of man by man. Let me tell you why-
On one hand are the corporates, multinationals who in collusion with the state displace people. The very same nexus controls the media, the judiciary, the press and even the civil society now now with the coming up of the NGOs. So it happens when this is going on, the rest of the urban liberal elite is made to believe that it is for the greater good of mankind  On the other hand are the poor peasants-who have nothing but their huge numbers. They can only organise themselves and resist this. To believe that they can fight within the framework of law-using the press or the judiciary or parliamentary means(all of which are suited to protect the interests of the ruling elite) is a naive and an impossible assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well an armed uprising can only lead to the liberation of mankind, and end of exploitation of man by man. Let me tell you why-<br />
On one hand are the corporates, multinationals who in collusion with the state displace people. The very same nexus controls the media, the judiciary, the press and even the civil society now now with the coming up of the NGOs. So it happens when this is going on, the rest of the urban liberal elite is made to believe that it is for the greater good of mankind  On the other hand are the poor peasants-who have nothing but their huge numbers. They can only organise themselves and resist this. To believe that they can fight within the framework of law-using the press or the judiciary or parliamentary means(all of which are suited to protect the interests of the ruling elite) is a naive and an impossible assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Bhattacharjya Tato</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Bhattacharjya Tato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Ray,

I have read your article with much attention. I had also sent a mail to an acquaintance of mine Garga Chatterjee on Lalgarg affair. Although he never replied to that mail because I guess that I do not belong to a politically-conscious elite group to which most of the activists respond to in India.


I really don&#039;t think that your information on Maoists and the adivasis are &quot;armed with traditional weapons like bows and arrows, and some Maoist cadre, who would be a few dozen at the most, and armed mostly with weapons looted from the police and improvised explosive devices.&quot; is at all true. I remember an acquaintance of mine in 1996-1997 was arrested with gelatin sticks. I really think that some other organization  (like Chinese government, LTTE) must be supporting them. 

The Maoist training camp on Indian tv channels shows that they have the same weapons as US army, Indian army. It is unbelievable but true that Maoists, Government armies, other so called Liberation Groups, Islamic Fundamentalists--- all of them buy the same brand of arms from the same dealer. 

Last month I was protesting about uprooting of my daily vendors in New Delhi due to Commonwealth Games and alone ... Before that I participated in an protest of unlawful imprisonment of Binayak Sen. It was my conscience which pushed me into such activities not any political ideology.


What I want to mean here is like if there is an oppression any human being should react to it, but do you need to have an ideology (such as marxism, maoism, etc.)?

If there were problems in Lalgarg area for ages, then why  did not the elite political commentators react then? I guess a person of your stature should have taken it up seriously ... perhaps decades back and we could have addressed these problems in a peaceful manner.

What I really don&#039;t like in your article is that, as an average Indian, I have a feeling that everybody is taking the advantage of Lalgarh (CPIM, CPI Maoists, Congress, Mamta and Trinamool, Naxalites, Elite Socialites like Aparna Sen &amp; Saonli Mitra et al and also political commentators). But at the cost of others&#039; life. Today I saw a picture of WB chief secretary arriving in a chopper while a poor village woman was looking on.... I think the sharp contrast between the State and the people is there ... it captures a kind of reality... But it does not mean that we have to kill or support the killers of either of the two.

So please do let us know if you foresee a case of oppression here and there ... there are many people like us in this country (who might not believe in a religion called Marxism, Hindutva etc) who will try to protest in a peaceful manner and try to change things.

Do let me know if I am wrong.... it is only through a dialogue we can live in a society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Ray,</p>
<p>I have read your article with much attention. I had also sent a mail to an acquaintance of mine Garga Chatterjee on Lalgarg affair. Although he never replied to that mail because I guess that I do not belong to a politically-conscious elite group to which most of the activists respond to in India.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think that your information on Maoists and the adivasis are &#8220;armed with traditional weapons like bows and arrows, and some Maoist cadre, who would be a few dozen at the most, and armed mostly with weapons looted from the police and improvised explosive devices.&#8221; is at all true. I remember an acquaintance of mine in 1996-1997 was arrested with gelatin sticks. I really think that some other organization  (like Chinese government, LTTE) must be supporting them. </p>
<p>The Maoist training camp on Indian tv channels shows that they have the same weapons as US army, Indian army. It is unbelievable but true that Maoists, Government armies, other so called Liberation Groups, Islamic Fundamentalists&#8212; all of them buy the same brand of arms from the same dealer. </p>
<p>Last month I was protesting about uprooting of my daily vendors in New Delhi due to Commonwealth Games and alone &#8230; Before that I participated in an protest of unlawful imprisonment of Binayak Sen. It was my conscience which pushed me into such activities not any political ideology.</p>
<p>What I want to mean here is like if there is an oppression any human being should react to it, but do you need to have an ideology (such as marxism, maoism, etc.)?</p>
<p>If there were problems in Lalgarg area for ages, then why  did not the elite political commentators react then? I guess a person of your stature should have taken it up seriously &#8230; perhaps decades back and we could have addressed these problems in a peaceful manner.</p>
<p>What I really don&#8217;t like in your article is that, as an average Indian, I have a feeling that everybody is taking the advantage of Lalgarh (CPIM, CPI Maoists, Congress, Mamta and Trinamool, Naxalites, Elite Socialites like Aparna Sen &amp; Saonli Mitra et al and also political commentators). But at the cost of others&#8217; life. Today I saw a picture of WB chief secretary arriving in a chopper while a poor village woman was looking on&#8230;. I think the sharp contrast between the State and the people is there &#8230; it captures a kind of reality&#8230; But it does not mean that we have to kill or support the killers of either of the two.</p>
<p>So please do let us know if you foresee a case of oppression here and there &#8230; there are many people like us in this country (who might not believe in a religion called Marxism, Hindutva etc) who will try to protest in a peaceful manner and try to change things.</p>
<p>Do let me know if I am wrong&#8230;. it is only through a dialogue we can live in a society.</p>
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